Color Me Styled - Book Club - Gone Girl Part 2

Here is the Q&A for the first section of Gone Girl by Gillian Flynn. There are some spoilers in the questions so if you haven't finished the first section come back to this post when you do! 

In this book club with me are Meredith (friend, aspiring author and CMS contributor), Sue (mother-in-law), Katie (sister-in-law) and Pat (mom). Everyone brings a different life perspective to this story which was really fun to pull together. We did a mostly virtual club with the ladies answering questions via email. For Section 2 we were battling having read the book several months before

Please let us know what you think! Answer the questions in the comment section at the bottom of the post or share them with us on Facebook. We'll have a discussion about part 3 next week and the final section the week after.

Gone Girl: Part 2 - Boy Meets Girl

Turn to page one of Part 2... and your first thoughts at the story development - are you surprised, angry, satisfied, intrigued? 

Meredith: I would have to say that I was intrigued and excited at the start of Part #2.  The development of Part #1 set up a great story line full of unanswered questions.  You knew answers had to be coming eventually and that things were quickly spiraling out of control with Nick.  I was happy to see (despite the fact that I wasn't sure in what capacity she would emerge) the attendance of the actual Amy and not her diary entries early on in Park #2.

Pat: I felt angry. What a bitch!!!  

Erin: I was shocked. I knew she was alive but I didn't expect to hear from her. 

Do you think Amy is crazy / psychotic? 

Meredith: Yes! And I love it!  She is a textbook sociopath.  By definition a person whose behavior is antisocial, who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.  Nothing Amy did was for the benefit of anyone besides herself.  She manipulated the people around her, used them as pawns in her game of life.  She didn't desire to be around anyone, there was never a single person (perhaps with Nick being the one exception) whose company she actually desired.  Even then it wasn't the actual Nick she wanted to be around but a figment of her imagination.

Pat: Yes I thought Amy was a NUT case. totally messed up psych.

Erin: Yes! So cray. But I was so fascinated by it. I was amazed at how she planned out everything with such precision. I am no way near patient enough in order to plan something out like that. I kind of respected her... to a point.

What do you think of her change in plan not to commit suicide?

Meredith: I found it weird that she actually ever contemplated it given how highly she viewed her own self worth.  It seems as though she is trying "fix" people of their problems, make them better, make them who she thinks they are capable of being (or so she rationalizes in her own mind). Yet she would remove herself from the world and strip herself of the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of her labor.  I am happy she didn't do it because I think in the end it would have ultimately led to the destruction of her plan.  If she committed suicide they would find some way to let Nick off, and this is one villain I was rooting for!

Pat: Not to commit suicide fits her character. She is so self centered that she would ever kill herself. She wants NO NEEDS to keep AMY alive in some way. Even if it is a false AMY.

Erin: I knew that her plan would unravel as soon as she mentioned the change. Obviously it fits her character to not go through with suicide but she was motivated by pure hatred of Nick that really disappearing would be the only way to ensure he was damned. Her plan continued to unravel and for someone who plans so meticulously, as soon as she had to think on her feet she was lost. Her immaturity came to the forefront.

Both Nick and Amy have "re-connection" moments where they seem to truly want the other back in their life; does that change your thoughts about the depth of their marriage?

Meredith: Not in the least!  Nick's moments come more so in Part #1 and then you find out about Andie and all his credibility goes out the window.  However Amy's moments come as we are learning of Nick's plan to manipulate her into rekindling their marriage because he is aware that she is framing him.  If anything I think these moments make their marriage look even more shallow.  If you can be this easily manipulated by your spouse...do you really know them? How could you ever trust them?  I guess I should quantify these questions by adding that I'm single.

Pat: Nick and Amy, they fit together in some symbiotic way. I don't know if it reflects depth in their marriage or more of a use/use relationship. Each one meets the needs of the other in some way. They don't really seem to have a "joined presence", they simply have individual beings that feed off each other.

Erin: It did for me a little bit. They are connected to each other. It isn't love or commitment but they are tied. I think Amy actually cares more for Nick than Nick does for Amy. But Amy has no sense of self all her own; she is whoever she needs to be for who she is with. It isn't a healthy relationship, and they should not be together but they know the most intimate things about each other. It is a case of "he/she knows me better than I know myself" which usually doesn't lead to a murder framing scheme. 


What is Amy's biggest fear?

Meredith: Being insignificant.

Pat: LOSS. Loss of freedom, loss of self (as ill defined as it is since she keeps recreating herself), loss of control over Nick, over life...

Erin: I think Amy is afraid of being afraid. She has worked her entire life to be one step ahead of everyone else and has tirelessly positioned herself to be the victim, at least perceived as the victim.

Can you identify with morphing your personality to fit in or reinventing yourself?

Meredith: Yes I think that there are key points in our lives where each of us does some reinventing or morphing.  Sometimes it's as simple as starting in a new work culture or a new town.  Other times it is as grand as transplanting yourself completely knew and starting over, swearing off who you were and what led to your current status. I think it is incredibly hard to do and that eventually cracks to you facade start to appear and the old you emerges as happened with Amy.  I feel as though I went through this type of change when I started college.  I swore to come out of my shell, to be more outgoing instead of living quietly in the background as I had all through high school and I think it worked!  Many of my high school friends didn't recognize social Meredith as being the same person that my college friends did.  It's all a part of growing up, sometimes you have to do it in a very intentional manner though. However at the end of the day I often times resort back to who I was then. When times get hard or I don't know how to deal with something, I get just as nervous and apprehensive and old Meredith takes hold.

Pat: I think everyone morphs some with experiences, maturity is a morphing. There is a  line  between trying to adapt and grow AND total personality switches. I can see if someone experiences a MAJOR trauma( like 911 , or a personal loss)  how that could result in changing how you think or react to life, Like looking at life views differently, but the kind of reinventing she displays is psychologically unhealthy. 

Erin: Yes. I never took it as far as Amy did by framing "friends" of stalking or of abuse but I do remember being a bit different around different people. I think I am always "me" and I do have these different interests (fashion, sports, business, design) but different parts of me come to the surface in different environments. People grow and develop and change as they experience life so I think we all do morph but hopefully we are not taking it to the extreme like Amy.

How do you feel about Amy discovering Nick and Andie on the first night Nick and Andie hooked up?

Meredith: She was stalking her husband...that says something about 1. her being crazy 2. her lack of trust in him 3. the already failing aspects of their marriage.

Pat: Amy discovering Nick with Andie... I think Amy's only known emotion is HURT.. She reflects being hurt by parents, let down in life, marriage, job and this is the tipping pint for her to seek revenge.

Erin: I had this moment of "ugh, poor Nick". Obviously I hated him for cheating but after learning how terrible Amy really is I hoped he would have gotten away with a few rendezvous with Andie before he started to be persecuted by Amy. She said she was trying to go and visit him to start to make amends and recreate their kiss in the flour from the night they met so it seemed like she was going to make an effort but then to see Nick the first night he hooks up with Andie she hatched her devious plan.

Do you believe Part 2 Amy? As in, we now know that Part 1's Diary Amy was fake... but do you sense there is some truth to Diary Amy?

Meredith: No and I think that Gillian Flynn set that up perfectly.  In finding out that everything we knew about Amy from Part #1 was a lie you as the reader start to become aware that you have to take everything this woman says with a grain of salt, and this includes Nick's historical interaction with her. I think that diary Amy is who actually Amy wishes she could have been.  The victim.

Pat: Part 2 AMY.. When her suspicion starts growing about Jeff and Great " maybe knowing" who she is, she refers to Diary Amy. Starts to play options, questioning sense of thought process. I think there's a thread of Diary Amy in Part 2 Amy. The true character lies somewhere in the midst.

Erin: Yes. I think there is truth to both versions of Amy. I agree with Meredith. Gillian Flynn wrote this perfectly so you couldn't trust everything but you almost wanted to trust what both versions of Amy were saying. 

How did you feel when Amy got robbed? 

Meredith: I laughed...hysterically.  Serves her right, two idiots robbing her; people she thought she had control over, whom she had written off. It is almost foreshadowing to Nick's staged comeback.  She had written him off as helpless, a pawn in her game and all the while he is manipulating her right back.  I think it is fantastic that the reader got to see just how desperate and helpless she was.  Her plan wasn't as airtight as she originally thought and when forced to improvise she seemed to only get herself into harrier situations. I did lose a lot of respect for her when she calls on a man (even one as desperate and pathetic as Desi) to help her out of the situation. 

Pat: I sort of felt bad for Amy when she got robbed. Then I felt well that's life. A sort of sweet revenge getting balance. She was bound to have life turn on her.

Erin: I felt bad for her too but I felt good about it. I was glad that she had this major wrench stuck into her plan. She had wound it almost too tight and she didn't plan for any "unknowns" which ultimately got her stuck running on fumes. 

What do you think she is up to at the end of Part 2? 

Meredith: Poor Desi...I didn't see things going well for him but then again I only had seconds to think about it as I immediately had to start in on part #3!

Pat: End of Part 2... I though she had figured a way out of Desi's control and was going back to Nick. Getting away from Desi sounded GREAT! Going back to Nick did not seem at all a real possibility. Just showing up on the door step was not going to answer for the police.  Too simple...

Erin: I did have a moment of "aww, shoot" and realized that she was going to take it too far. But I didn't see what she actually did coming! And yeah, I waited all of a millisecond before moving onto Part 3.

Color Me Styled - Book Club - Gone Girl Part 1

Here is the Q&A for the first section of Gone Girl by Gillian Flynn. There are some spoilers in the questions so if you haven't finished the first section come back to this post when you do! 

In this book club with me are Meredith (friend, aspiring author and CMS contributor), Sue (mother-in-law), Katie (sister-in-law) and Pat (mom). Everyone brings a different life perspective to this story which was really fun to pull together. We did a mostly virtual club with the ladies answering questions via email.

Please let us know what you think! Answer the questions in the comment section at the bottom of the post or share them with us on Facebook. We'll have a discussion about part 2 next week and the final section the week after.

Gone Girl: Part 1 - Boy Looses Girl

Do you like the way the story was written?

Meredith: It grew on me. Originally I couldn't stand it, which is why it was so hard for me to get into.  However as time went on I realized there was no other way to tell this story than from the minds of these two screwed up people.

Sue: Yes-easy to read and kept you guessing.

Katie: I loved the way the book was written. If it wasn’t written that way, I think it would have taken me longer than 48 hours to read it. It was such a page turner. Both characters were so intriguing (as was the plot, obviously) and I literally couldn’t put it down. While I didn’t necessarily connect to the characters, this style of writing definitely allowed for that opportunity.

Pat: I did NOT like the way the book was written. Two contrary styles 1st person and diary entries was hard to follow. It did add to the differences in their personalities so I guess it added to the underlying instability.

Erin: I did like it. I love being inside the character’s heads. Even though Amy’s was diary entries it was still her opinion and her perspective. We got to hear both sides of the story, for what that is worth.

Did you feel any super strong feelings for either character? Or feel connected to them in anyway?

Meredith: For the first part of the book I hated both of them. Amy cause she was fake. Nick because he was an ass.  Honestly that is all I can say about it.

Sue: No I never connected with the characters... More of an observer.

Pat: I really like Nick. Amy was distant because she was presented indirectly via diary entries. But you do want to choose a favorite from two very imperfect options. I wanted someone to root for... I picked Nick. 

Erin: I connected with both of them at different points. I really connected with Amy’s diary entries about being a new wife because I feel some of those feelings being a new wife myself. But I also identified with Nick and trying to solve the scavenger hunt on his own before the police. I’m very independent and do things on my own all the time.

Do you think Amy and Nick really loved each other as people or did they fall in love with the idea of what they each represented?

Meredith: Honestly I thought her love was fleeting from the beginning. Oddly enough I found his love truer even after the affair was revealed.  She was too wrapped up in becoming Amazing Amy that she couldn't act on her true emotions.  Deep down her parents constant disapproval of who she turned out to be in comparison to who they wrote her to be, prevented her from ever doing something for herself.  She married the guy they would have wanted her to marry.  I do think Nick loved Amy.  I think that he saw her to be Amazing and then as her faults were shown in her uncaring indifference to his family problems he realized that he didn't actually know her.  He was an ass and down on his luck due to the lack of a job but her hatred towards him went much further earlier on I feel.  In her diary she was loving and supportive in those moments after arriving in Missouri however she contradicted herself earlier on when she talked about her lack of desire to leave NYC. 

Sue: They definitely fell in love with what they represented. It was the dude and the cool girl.

Katie: I think they fell in love with each other, but at the same time I don’t think they were being themselves when they fell in love. In the beginning they did make a pretty picture perfect couple. Especially being married now, I was shocked at Amy's reaction to Nick telling her they were moving to MO (I think at first she may have been sympathetic? But then I think she turned resentful). Like, if one of Ben’s parents was sick, or one of my parents, or something big happened like that...it would be no question. Family is so important to us that we would compromise and work it out. It seemed like Nick and Amy were "keeping score." With their jobs, relationship, family....everything. That is the worst thing for a long-term, successful, relationship.

Pat: Hard to say if they really loved the real person. The "idea" was what attracted them to each other.  Hard to know who the "real" people are. But neither has true feelings we don’t see real emotion from Nick. He had to pretend the he is concerned and thinks about playing the part and how he is supposed to react. Because the marriage has declined and has to present it vs. what he feels (because he doesn’t know how he’s feeling).

Erin: I think that Amy was looking for her Able Andy when they met up again after their first meeting. So she changed what she wanted to fit Nick. Then when Nick needed her to really support him she wasn’t able because that isn’t who she is as a person. I agree, Danny and I would drop everything for each other, no second thoughts, no hard feelings.

When he said "My 5th lie to the police" did you try to figure out what the other 4 were? Did you lose trust in Nick at that point?

Meredith: For some reason when I read this line I immediately thought that Amy was framing him.  Nick's uncaring nature leading up to the discovery of his wife's disappearance made me think he was a liar and that nothing he said could be trusted, however he also didn't have the panic stricken nature of a man who has committed his first crime of this magnitude.  Something about his level of laziness made me think that he wasn't proactive enough to actually pull off a successful crime.  There was an erratic nature to Amy's diary entries that made her seem off to me from the get go.  She was too flighty, too care free, too forced at being this melodramatic diva.  Plus she had an ego and therefore sitting in Missouri being bored was not going to appease her. 

Sue: I was intrigued but kept going and didn't try to figure out the other lies.

Pat: My first thought was "What? You lied!"  It surprised me. I didn't lose total trust but it made me wary.

Erin: I agree, I considered for a moment going back to try and pick out things I thought were lies, and maybe now I wish I had but it made me question everything that came out going forward. I couldn’t trust anyone.

When you found out about Andie…

Meredith: I was very disappointed with myself when I found out that Andie was the person on the other end of Nick's disposable phone.  Before learning that she was his mistress I thought that it was Amy on the other end, that it had something to do with the treasure hunt and her framing him, which was part of the reason why he was not worried at all about her disappearance.  I thought it was some kind of game that would return the success of Amazing Amy, get them money back, and restore the passion in their marriage.  However once he started screwing Andie in his sister's living room I lost all respect for him.  There was a part of me that wrote him off as a man being a man but really who can have sex with their mistress when their wife is missing.  No matter the scenario of what happened to Amy nothing made up for what he did in that capacity.  When the story unfolded the way that it did I definitely had to laugh and think that Nick got what he deserved.  Amy may have had a LOT of screws loose but frankly in the end I wish more women were vindictive when it comes to cheating spouses. 

Sue: Lost trust in him then and stopped feeling bad for him

Katie: I was disappointed in Nick for cheating.

Erin: I wasn’t surprised but I totally hated him. And I hated Andie for continuing to pursue him… she knew the pile he was in and if she really loved him like she said she did then she would have stayed away and come back into the picture further down the road when all the Amy dust had settled.

Amy's version of the year in Missouri vs. Nick's

Meredith: I guess I didn't really recall Nick's perspective of Missouri.  Amy's version didn’t seem very convincing given her lack of desire to be there.  Nothing about her character development leading up to Missouri came off as one day accepting her fate.  She would have fought it tooth and nail. Plus Nick's aggressive nature, knowing that he was screwing his mistress didn't make sense.  If anything he would have stopped sleeping with Amy because he had Andie and he enjoyed Andie.  He got it whenever he wanted so why "rape your wife" in your drunkenness.  Her diary was a bit extreme when paired with Nick's side of the story.  Despite his infidelity there was an honesty to Nick. As the reader you knew he despised his wife, that he wasn't in love with her, he wasn't even worried about her most of the time which were his true feelings.  The fact of the matter is only being in Amy's head didn't provide her with any credibility.

Sue: I realized they were really not on the same page.

Pat: Amy's version of MO and Nick's were so totally opposite. I thought they were disconnected.

Erin: I think the fact that they were so disconnected surprised me. Generally you have a similar outlook as your spouse and for Amy to say that she was really trying compared to Nick saying she resented him is a pretty giant difference. I blamed Amy for the disconnect. I mean, how often has a girl said “no, it’s fine” to a guy and he knows that it isn’t but takes her word for it!

How do you think each character’s upbringing contributed to the decline of their marriage?

Meredith: Nick had divorced parents, a nasty father figure, doting mother and an extremely close sister. Go’s life path was always one step ahead; Go lost her job first, moved home first  and she acts more like a big sister than a twin. Amy is an only child with the Amazing Amy psyche. She had perfect parents who kind of forgot that they needed to raise a kid.

Sue: They were both very self centered.

Katie: I think Nick resented Amy because she had money. I think Amy resented her parents because they created this fictional "Amazing Amy" that she was constantly being compared to, and that she could never live up to- which was probably why she wasn’t herself when she met Nick. They both had such f-ed up childhoods, but in exact opposite ways. Nick came from an abusive home (perhaps he was becoming the same way with Amy?), and Amy seemed to be constantly looking for attention.

Pat: Both portrayed as unusual and in Amy's case weird.  "Only child Amazing AMY“ and “Twin with Demented or Terminal parents”.  Who thinks of those 2 coming together?  I guess it adds to the dysfunction. Their marriage never had any depth; they only went through the motions. Amazing Amy would drop NYC life and head to MO she expected to emulate her parent’s relationship. Amy goes through the motions and plays the role and hopes that it all just mirrors what she is supposed to be feeling. 

Erin: They’re both incredibly self centered which doesn’t work in a relationship. Nick, even though he is a twin, has never had to share or sacrifice for another person. Amy was an only child who never wanted for anything and never had to consider anyone else’s needs before her own.

Amy translated every situation in her life into a quiz. Do you do this when you consider your options when you need to make a decision? Do you (and did she) answer truthfully or with what you think the right answer should be?

Meredith: Oddly enough...this only happens to me when I have been drinking (so I do it quite often).  I sit there with an alcohol induced haze and think "should I hook up with this rando?" and then rationalize this is what I will feel if I do it and this is how happy and proud I will be with myself if I go home alone and get some sleep.  Usually I don't listen to myself and I bring the dude home.  Sadly this is only a half joke.  I enjoy playing devil's advocate when debating people on topics and I guess you could say I do it in my own life internally as well.  I don't make it a multiple choice test in my head but I definitely mirror what Amy says.  However unlike Amy I don't find the RIGHT answer which will make me into Marvelous Meredith and then twist the facts of life to make it work for me and get what I want.

Sue: I do tend to answer these quizzes like I think the "right" answer will be...I think Amy would definitely do the same.

Katie: It’s funny....I was never truthful in those quizzes from magazines. I always chose the answer that I wanted to be, not necessarily who I actually was, or which answer was really me. Granted, these quizzes were like, "Are you a good flirt?", and I was taking them when I was a lot younger, but still. I obviously come from a family of over analyzers, so yes, I feel like I do think about all of the options when making decisions...specifically big ones.

Pat: I don't do the "quiz" thing. I do look at options but don't play the games she did. I don't think Amy EVER presented herself.

Erin: I act on instincts. I have learned to become more analytic but only because I know that I’ll have to answer Danny’s questions about decisions I need to make (see: Katie’s comment about a family of over analyzers).

Do you think Desi or that other girl had anything to do with Amy's disappearance?

Meredith: Nope. The story was about Nick and Amy, the fall guys were just that fall guys and I think that was obvious from the beginning.

Katie: No. But it’s a weird part of the story and it has to mean something.

Pat: I thought Desi and the other girl were peripheral I did not think they played a part in the story other than historical.

Erin: I didn’t think they were involved but I did want to know more about their interactions with Amy and why she had this terrible history with stalkers.

 Are you convinced Amy is dead?

Meredith: Not in the least.

Sue: No

Katie: I think she is dead....but it’s like an episode of SVU- if it’s too early in the episode and they already found the perp then you know there are definitely going to be some twists. The whole beginning of the story reminded me so much of the Drew Peterson story, that I thought she was definitely dead....but again, it was too early in the book!

Pat: I am not convinced she is dead but I am leaning in that direction. There aren't any clear clues as to what happened.

Erin: Honestly, maybe? I see the story going in a few different directions. And yeah, I have watched a lot of SVU and know that half the story is left so I’m not convinced but I wouldn’t be surprised if she is.

What do you think is in the shed?

Meredith: All I knew leading up to the shed was that Amy wasn't dead because there were two more sections. 

Sue: I didn’t know

Katie: Ahhh! I had absolutely no idea what was in the shed!

Pat: In the shed... I thought we’d find her body.

Erin: So, I know I just said that I think she might be dead but I thought that we’d find her waiting for him, alive, as the last piece of the scavenger hunt. Or that her body had been dumped there after the struggle at the house.